Last updated: 27th October
If the specified route is gaining vehicles that haven't worked it before, whether on a contract change/renewal, or merely as an upgrade, at the end of the bullet point text will be highlighted in this colour, making it easier for you to plan your days out covering the latest service changes.
A contract change indicates that a new operator is taking over the route, following a tender award.
A contract renewal indicates that the existing operator has been successful in continuing operation of a route, following a tender award. New buses may/may not be ordered, dependent on the tender specification.
NOVEMBER 2019:
DECEMBER 2019:
JANUARY 2020:
FEBRUARY 2020:
MARCH 2020:
APRIL 2020:
MAY 2020:
JUNE 2020:
JULY 2020:
ROUTES PENDING TENDER ANNOUNCEMENT:
- 364 (Dagenham East-Ilford) retained by Go-Ahead London with 14 new ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles, from River Road (RR) garage. 2nd November. Contract renewal, new vehicles. Change delayed.
DECEMBER 2019:
- 52 (Victoria-Willesden Bus Garage) retained by Metroline with 18 existing Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, from Willesden (AC) garage. 7th December.
- 94 (Acton Green-Piccadilly Circus) retained by London United with 28 new ADL Enviro400 City EV vehicles, from Shepherd's Bush (S) garage. 7th December. Contract renewal, new vehicles.
- 140 (Hayes & Harlington-Harrow Weald) withdrawn from Harlington Corner and Heathrow Airport. 7th December. Change in routeing.
- 218 (Hammersmith-North Acton) awarded to Tower Transit with 11 existing Wrightbus Streetlite vehicles (ex-444), from Westbourne Park (X) garage. 7th December. New route.
- 266 (Brent Cross-Acton High Street) awarded to London United with 23 existing ADL Enviro400s (hybrids too) and Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, from Park Royal (RP) garage. Withdrawn between Hammersmith and Acton. 7th December. Contract change, existing vehicles. Change in routeing.
- 278 (Heathrow Central-Ruislip) awarded to Abellio London with 10 new ADL Enviro400 'smart hybrid' MMC vehicles, from Hayes (WS) garage. 7th December. New route.
- 306 (Acton Vale-Fulham, Sands End) awarded to London United with -- existing Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles (ex-18), from Stamford Brook (V) garage. 7th December. New route.
- 391 (Richmond-Hammersmith) withdrawn from Kensington Olympia, Fulham Broadway and Sands End. 7th December. Change in routeing.
- 440 (Wembley Trading Estate-Turnham Green) re-routed via Horn Lane, away from West Acton, but also extended from Stonebridge Park, via Harrow Road, to Wembley Trading Estate. 7th December. Change in routeing.
- X140 (Heathrow Central-Harrow On The Hill) awarded to Metroline with 10 existing Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, from Harrow Weald (HD) garage. 7th December.
New route.
- 29/N29 (Wood Green/Enfield-Trafalgar Square) retained by Arriva London with 36 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 B5LH vehicles, from Wood Green (WN) garage. 11th January.
- 323 (Canning Town-Mile End) retained by Stagecoach London with 4 new electric BYD/ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles, from West Ham (WH) garage. 11th January. Contract renewal, new vehicles.
FEBRUARY 2020:
- 109/N109 (Croydon Town Centre-Brixton/Oxford Circus) retained by Abellio London with 26 existing ADL Enviro400H MMC vehicles, from Beddington Cross (BC) garage. 1st February.
- 357 (Chingford Hatch-Whipps Cross) retained by Go-Ahead London with 7 new electric ADL/BYD Enviro400 City vehicles, from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 29th February.
MARCH 2020:
- 212 (St James Street-Chingford Station) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 12 new electric ADL/BYD Enviro400 City vehicles, from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 7th March. Contract change, new vehicles.
- 282 (Mount Vernon Hospital-Ealing Hospital) retained by Metroline with 16 existing ADL Enviro400H vehicles (ex-266), from Greenford (G) garage. 7th March. Contract renewal, existing vehicles.
- 444 (Turnpike Lane Station-Chingford Station) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 11 new electric BYD/ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles, from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 7th March. Contract change, new vehicles. Endangered type, Wrightbus/VanHool Hydrogen Buses.
- 657 (Crooked Billet Sainsbury's-Bancroft School) retained by Go-Ahead London with 1 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 B9TL vehicle, from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 7th March.
- 126 (Eltham, High Street-Bromley South) retained by Go-Ahead London with 11 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles, from Orpington (MB) garage. 21st March.
- 482 (Heathrow Terminal 5-Southall, Town Hall) awarded to Abellio London with 8 new ADL Enviro 400 'smart hybrid' MMC vehicles, from Southall (GW) garage. 21st March. Contract change, new vehicles.
- C10 (Canada Water-Victoria) retained by Abellio London with 22 new Caetano eCity Gold from Walworth (WL) garage. 21st March. Contract renewal, new vehicles.
APRIL 2020:
- 271 (Moorgate, Finsbury Square-Highgate Village) retained by Metroline with 14 existing Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, from Holloway (HT) garage. 4th April.
- 127 (Tooting Broadway-Purley) retained by Go-Ahead London with 17 existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles, from Croydon (C) garage. 11th April. Endangered type, Wrightbus B7TL Gemini.
- 427 (Southall, Merrick Road-Uxbridge) retained by Abellio London with (pvr tbc) existing ADL Enviro400H MMC vehicles, from Southall (GW) garage. 11th April.
- 67 (Dalston Junction-Wood Green) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 12 existing Wrightbus New Routemaster vehicles, from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 25th April. Contract change, existing vehicles.
- 106 (Finsbury Park Station-Whitechapel) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 14 new electric ADL/BYD Enviro400 City vehicles, from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 25th April. Contract change, new/existing vehicles.
MAY 2020:
- 191 (Edmonton Green-Brimsdown) awarded to Arriva London with 19 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 DB300 vehicles, from Enfield (E) garage. 2nd May. Contract change, existing vehicles. Endangered type, Wrightbus B7TL Gemini
- G1 (Battersea, Shaftesbury Estate-Streatham, Green Lane) retained by Go-Ahead London with 13 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles, from Stockwell (SW) garage. 2nd May.
- P5 (Patmore Estate-Elephant & Castle) awarded to Abellio London with 9 new Caetano eCity Gold vehicles, from Walworth (WL) garage. 2nd May. Contract change, new vehicles.
- 25/N25 (City Thameslink/Oxford Circus-Ilford) awarded to Stagecoach London with 31 new ADL Enviro 400 'smart hybrid' MMC vehicles, from West Ham (WH) garage. 23rd May. Contract change, new vehicles.
- 270 (Putney Bridge-Mitcham) awarded to Abellio London with 13 new ADL Enviro 400 'smart hybrid' MMC vehicles, from Battersea (QB) garage. 30th May. Contract change, new vehicles.
JUNE 2020:
- 230 (Upper Walthamstow-Wood Green) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 11 new electric ADL/BYD Enviro400 City vehicles, from Northumberland Park (NP)
garage. 20th June. Contract change, new/existing vehicles.
- 285 (Heathrow Central-Kingston) awarded to Abellio London with 15 new ADL Enviro400 'smart hybrid' MMC vehicles, from Twickenham (TF) garage. 27th June. Contract change, new vehicles.
- 460 (Willesden, Bus Garage-North Finchley) retained by Metroline with 10 existing Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, from Willesden (AC) garage. 27th June.
- 498 (Brentwood-Romford, Queen's Hospital) retained by Stagecoach London with 6 existing ADL Enviro400 MMC vehicles, from Romford (NS) garage. 27th June.
- 499 (Heath Park Estate-Gallows Corner Tesco) retained by Stagecoach London with 7 existing ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles, from Romford NS) garage. 27th June.
- K1 (Kingston-New Malden Station) awarded to London United with 12 new + 2 existing single deckers (types not confirmed), from Tolworth (TV) garage. 27th June. Contract change, new vehicles.
JULY 2020:
- 331 (Uxbridge-Ruislip) retained by Metroline West with 8 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles, from Uxbridge (UX) garage. 4th July.
- 425 (Clapton, Nightingale Road-Ilford) awarded to Stagecoach London with 21 new ADL Enviro 400 'smart hybrid' MMC vehicles, from West Ham (WH) garage. 4th July. Contract change, new vehicles.
ROUTES PENDING TENDER ANNOUNCEMENT:
611 (East Finchley Schools-Stonebridge Park)606 (Queensbury-Totteridge Academy)271 (Moorgate, Finsbury Square-Highgate Village)- 498 (Romford, Queen's Hospital-Brentwood)
- 499 (Heath Park Estate-Gallows Corner Tesco)
- 460 (Willesden, Bus Garage-North Finchley)
- 326 (Barnet, The Spires-Brent Cross)
- N5 (Trafalgar Square-Edgware)
- N20 (Trafalgar Square-Barnet Church)
- 23 (Hammersmith-Westbourne Park)
- 139 (Golders Green-Waterloo)
- 319 (Sloane Square-Streatham Hill, Telford Avenue)
- 405 (Redhill-West Croydon)
- 466 (Addington Village-Caterham On The Hill)
Hi, are there any other routes awaiting announcement not listed here, for example, the gap between june 2018 and december 2019 just filled with the relatively few routes mentioned or is there a whole raft of routes that will be filled in later as the years go on?
ReplyDeletei meant August 2019 lol
DeleteHi, the 214 tender was only announced so far in advance because it's scheduled to be operated with electric buses, which take much longer to produce then normal vehicles.
Deletethanks for the reply
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ReplyDeleteHow you Come out with 2019 you Doughnut?
ReplyDeleteSeriously this is serious stuff you bus spotter.you should no better..omg i cannot believe you make retarded mistakes like that
Shame on you
The route will be renewed in 2019, as it will be using electric vehicles they will take significantly longer to produce then normal, so no I didn't make a mistake and please check your facts before trying to correct me, it's not very professional!
DeleteFor the record, MG garage is called 'Morden Wharf' not North Greenwich.
ReplyDeleteCheers, will update
Deletecan I ask about routes 47,54,75,178,136,199,208,354,356,P4 and N199
ReplyDeleteNone of those routes are having their contracts renewed soon, but watch this space and maybe within a year a couple of these routes might be up for tender.
DeleteYeah I agree, Stagecoach have had some of those routes for ages, its quite boring living in Catford with the same bus operators for the last 8 years or so
ReplyDeleteIndeed, the main reason why they've retained so much work is the strategical position of Catford garage, so many routes pass near there so it's almost inevitable that they will place successful bids. Most of those routes do have other competition from the likes of Go-Ahead London, but lots of their garages are pretty full anyway.
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Deleteyeah but the vehicles are getting old and fair enough their are the Enviro400 MMC on the double decker's (47 sometimes 75 54 136 and 199) but there needs to be more like 96 in plumsteads garage have wright Gemini's eclipse 3's but catford needs them.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately MMCs are pretty much guaranteed as Stagecoach have a deal with ADL which means they get their buses cheaper. Nevertheless, anything is possible and a batch of Gemini 3's could be ordered again, alas it's unlikely.
DeleteThere should be a Stagecoach route with Scania N250UD ADL E200 MMCs in London!
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DeleteE400 MMCs, my mistake sorry!
ReplyDeleteAlso, it is annoying that no bus companies in London have been ordering Mercedes-Benz Citaros.
Unfortunately the reason why the short Citaros haven't been ordered recently is due to the lack of stop-start technology that TFL require, so they have been banned. Stagecoach actually ordered them for the 380 and 167 but had to cancel their order.
DeleteBut Citaros can actually be stop start (they are available in Voith as well, which offers a stop start version) but by the looks of it, the reason why they haven't been ordering Citaros is because they are very expensive to buy.
DeleteAlso, there should be a bus route in London with Alexander Dennis Enviro400 MMC bodied Scania N250UD!
Hmmm, that could easily be another factor. I forgot to mention that the Voith version did come out recently earlier.
DeleteWhilst the latter type you mentioned would be a pleasure, it's probably unlikely unless a new operator enters the London market as there would need to be all sorts of new training etc etc
A Scania Enviro400 won’t ever appear in London because they don’t have a back window, which I believe is a TfL requirement. Omnicities on a Scania chassis do have a back window (just!) so they’re allowed. Stagecoach do like Scanias though, which is probably why they’ve still kept on most of their Scania’s novated from Macquarie, albeit on a different body. The electric buses do buck the back window rule though, probably because there is no other physical room to put the batteries other than at the back and zero emissions would come as a higher priority than a back window!
DeleteHi this is a great website recommended to all my bus spotter friends. Btw I am indeed a bus spotter tbh!! :)
ReplyDeleteThank you! I am delighted to hear
Deletethe 317 is up for Tender in 2018 and am hopping arriva Enfield keeps it but no one knows
ReplyDeleteWe'll have to wait and see, although their garage is in the best position strategically so I would think a retention is likely, however there is other competition so it will definitely be an interesting result to see who wins.
DeleteI really want Sullivan Buses to get it because of Arriva's lack of buses on the route.
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ReplyDelete216 (Kingston-Staines) to Arriva (TGM)
ReplyDeleteK2 (Kingston Hospital-Hook)
K3 (Roehampton Vale-Esher)
K4 (Kingston Hospital-Chessington North, Mansfield Park)
969 (Whitton, Gladstone Avenue-Roehampton Vale)
9/N9 (Aldwych-Hammersmith/Heathrow Terminal 5)
209/609 (Mortlake/Harrodian School-Hammersmith) to London United
390 (Archway-Victoria) to London General
105 (Heathrow Central-Greenford Station) to Arriva (TGM)
Lol fake news
DeleteCan the GAL 188 transfer to MG > SW.
ReplyDeleteIt's possible but very unlikely given that SW is in a much more inconvenient position to SW.
DeleteAs for your speculation, some of them are certainly far-fetched but I wish you the best in receiving good tender results.
My bad, MG is in a much more convenient position to SW.
ReplyDeleteThe 31 will most likely be Gemini 3 B5LH, considering Metroline have a deal with Volvo the moment.
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ReplyDelete159 QB>BC Abellio
ReplyDelete60 (Streatham Station-Old Coulsdon) to Quality Line (RATP)
ReplyDelete166 (Epsom Hospital-West Croydon)
293 (Morden-Epsom Hospital) to Quality Line (RATP)
404 (Coulsdon-Caterham On The Hill)
412 (West Croydon-Purley)
434 (Whyteleafe South-Coulsdon, Ridgemount Avenue) to Arriva London South
466 (Addington Village-Caterham On The Hill)
612 (Wallington-Selsdon)
685 (Hamsey Green-Selsdon) to Abellio London
can I ask about routes H18, H19
ReplyDeleteAny news H18 , H19 tender ?
ReplyDeleteHi, unfortunately no tender results have been released for five weeks so the outcome of the H18/H19 is still unclear, although when it's published they will appear on here!
Deleteh18 going to RATP
ReplyDeleteThe tenders page has been updated accordingly, along with the other results.
DeleteAny ideas when the 25, 43, 185, 452 and 476 are up for re-tender? I wouldn't be surprised if Go-Ahead lose the 476.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately none of these routes are due to be announced within the next few months.
DeleteWhat might happen to the 476 is a merge with route 73, as the Southern termini will only be a few mins apart once Oxford St is pedestrianised.
That's the most likely scenario. And it'll certainly be with Arriva's LTZs. I could see a couple of other routes going the same way like the 63/363 merging. Maybe the 74/430?
DeleteYes and the number for this one service will be the "73" as its more prolific.
DeleteI'm not sure about the 63/363 because both services are very busy and cover substantial distance by themselves, one direct service would be very long! However, the 430/74 are sparsely used most of the time so perhaps something will happen there.
Two routes I think are in danger are the 9/10, especially with the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street coming up. It'll be interesting to see what happens, especially with the 9 tender being due now.
Hey how's it going I wanted to ask about tender news for route 62, 145, 396?
ReplyDeleteHi there, sorry for the delayed response!
DeleteThe 62 and 145 were retained recently, in April last year, which is why the MMCs have now appeared on the route. So, you won't be seeing those results for a few years! The 396 might be up much sooner, although it's not coming up in the next few months.
Hi there it's fine if you've replied late I don't really mind tbh.
DeleteI wanted to ask you 2 things and that was about route 9/10. Since the danger they are held at will they have s route change or something?
Also I was going to ask you about route 275. I'm not going to lie but it's last contract change was in 2012 when it passed to Stagecoach London. So I was wondering if you have any idea of route 275 and If it's up for tender. Btw about 62 and 145 yeah they have MMCs due to the fact Stagecoach have a deal with ADL apparently.
Thanks for replying tho and will fully recommend this website. Bye bro!
Thanks!
DeleteI'm not too sure, but perhaps one of them being withdrawn and another extended to compensate. Perhaps the 9 will be withdrawn, with the 6 re-routed via Pall Mall rather than going to Piccadilly Circus. However, this is all speculation and hopefully none of this will actually take place.
I believe the 275 announcement is due in June 2018, so not long to wait.
Just to let you know (and this is something I am very happy about), the H37 is getting new 12m Citaro C2s, as well as the 216, 288, 303, H18/H19, K2 and K3 which are getting shorter 10.5m Citaro Ks (like the 413 currently does)
ReplyDeleteCheers, the page is in the process being updated accordingly.
DeleteI'm delighted about the news too! :)
I've heard about it in tangytango.proboards.com where RATP ordered a lot of Citaros with new stop-start technology and KERS
DeleteADL's are going on 288 and 303
DeleteI wonder what the tender result will be for Routes, 9, 209 and 390
ReplyDeleteI see routes 223 and 224 staying with Metroline West and possibly route 94 going to Metroline and route 79 either staying with Metroline or going to London United
ReplyDeleteI reckon 94 will go to tower transit from there only garage in west london which is westbourne park
DeleteTt are due a win they have lost a lot of work and metroline and l.u are winning a lot
Just my thoughts
I doubt it will go to Tower Transit, tfl will most likely bid with Routes 223 and 224 to Metroline West. I don't see Routes 223 and 224 losing their contracts
DeleteI'm talking about 94 by the way
DeleteI want the 94 to go to Metroline
DeleteIt will either be Route 94 having with Routes 223 and 224 to Metroline or London United cause all three contracts start from 13th October 2018
ReplyDeleteIm talking about the 94
ReplyDeleteWhich garage would the 94 operate if awarded to metroline..pv wpv
ReplyDeleteprobably Brentford Garage cause it isn't too far from where route 94 terminates at Acton Green.
DeleteOr it could go to Metroline West from either Alperton or Willesden Garages but we'll just have to wait and find out when the route is due for announcement next month in February
DeleteThe 94 will almost certainly be retained by London United and if this is the case electric buses will be introduced as Shepherd's Bush garage have promised an all-electric fleet by 2020. However, there is a small chance that operators, namely Tower Transit, could win the service, although it is unlikely.
ReplyDeleteAnd also it is most like that likely that route 31 that has been awarded to Metroline West will most definitely get new Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles because there on the 295. So that is definitely gonna happen so I don't know why it still says (type not confirmed?)
DeleteAnd also route 30 will get gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, because route 274 is also getting them. And I was very suprised that it was awarded to Metroline cause there isn't really much of Metroline in the East part of London
ReplyDeleteIt's likely, but the order hasn't been placed yet so we can't be sure. That's why I'm still displaying the type not confirmed message.
DeleteOk thanks, any news about Routes 9, 144, 209 and 390.
DeleteNot yet, the page will be updated as soon as the results are published.
DeleteHello there
ReplyDeleteI love this, but I am shocked to see the 105 leave Metroline. What happened? Last time i was at PA they were running a tight ship, albeit being a bit finicky in Greenford and Southall, I don't think the Southall renewal works helped the route no end also I wonder how the drivers will feel about having to go with the route as that was nearly most of the garage!!
I think most tenders are simply awarded on the basis of who provides a lower bid and clearly RATP were the successful ones here. Unfortunately service performance has effectively been disregarded as of late for tender awards.
DeleteI suspect many drivers will transfer across to Hounslow Heath (HH) or work other routes there like the 297.
When will routes 291 and 96 be up? I have been told that 291 should've been announced in december but cant find info
ReplyDelete96 and 291 are due to be announced in May it shows on the tfl tendering sheet online
Deletewill we really see new buses on 30 and274 or just odds and ends from PV AND AC?
ReplyDeleteWell on the 30 tender it's says new hybrid double deckers but also says existing vehicles? But hopefully there new and it will be Gemini 3s
DeleteThere will be a full allocation of new vehicles ordered.
DeleteRoute 209 is having a one year contract extension so that tender won't be announced until next year.
ReplyDeleteMay I question where you sourced this information from?
DeleteThere is nothing on any tender programme which states this and unless you can give me concrete evidence that the route is receiving this extension I won't be changing anything I'm afraid. I also wonder where you found out that the 30 was receiving existing vehicles from.
You might want to check out your sources before you continue to post on this page, which you often do.
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DeleteI've now seen the document where TFL published the information regarding the one-year 209 extension, it was kept well-hidden so thanks for notifying me.
DeleteWhere you got the 30 from is still a mystery to me though.
I told you that I was telling the truth about the 209 but you didn't believe me, I was trying to tell you cause they just recently posted the 2019-2020 tendering programme on the tfl website and it said on there. And about the 30 it was just my thoughts what will happen, I only thought it could get existing vehicles same as 274 because the 17 was due to get new vehicles but instead went to the route 7 cause it failed some kind of test (not too sure by the way) so that's what made me think that. So yeah I was just basically trying to help you out.
DeleteYes, I tend to be very careful as I really don't want false information posted on here so it can be as accurate and reliable as possible and it took a while for me to find the evidence.
DeleteIn regards to the 30, if it were your thoughts then why did you say that the tender said existing vehicles?
The 17 couldn't receive new-style Gemini 3s because of their rear overhang - they struggled to navigate some of the turns. There are no spare Gemini 3s at the moment as the 17 and 7 vehicles have merely swapped around.
Thanks for showing an interest in the page though.
Regards to route 30, I saw it say new hybrid double deckers and below the part it says (Contract Change, existing vehicles)? So I was really confused so you need to correct it cause it still says it.
DeleteAnd correct it to (Contract change, new vehicles) not existing
DeleteAnd especially change the garage cause the 30 and 274 will be operating from King's Cross garage with route 46 transferring to Holloway garage. You'll probably know this by now.
DeleteCheers, will update.
DeleteDo you know what will happen with Metroline's mark 1 gemini 3's as Willesden (AC) has got new mark 2 gemini 3's and some mark 1's remain at Perivale. Will they still be in service?
DeleteYes, all of the "smiley-face" Gemini 3s will be around for a while.
DeleteSome are being used on the 17 at Holloway (HT), these are the ex-7 vehicles, although three are at Perivale East (PV) for the 79 and I think these are staying.
The AC ones should remain there as there are still VPs around on the 260, 302 and 460. However, they may be used elsewhere and their fate is unclear for the moment.
They could be used for an existing bid if need be (like the 274 and 30), although this is entirely dependant on whether Willesden can get rid of all the VPs with the VWs and mk 2 ones alone.
Hopefully this has helped to some degree.
Yes, they're on the 4 and the 17 now and should be for the long term.
Deleteis route 99 only running between bexleyheath and erith? it currently runs to woolwich.
ReplyDeleteThanks very much for spotting, must've been a silly error on my part!
DeleteIndeed it will continue to serve Woolwich.
I would just like to point out that 386 has not been retained it’s been awarded to go ahead. It says 386 retained by Go ahead London. Yeah worth mentioning!
ReplyDeleteThanks for this. Monitoring a page like this is quite difficult and there are always little errors like this so if you spot any more please let me know!
DeleteHey LBOTG, I just wanted to say that you have an awesome blog and I read your service changes page every day.
ReplyDeleteBtw I also have a question, do you know if the 485 will really gain E200s from 244 or 299?
Hey LBOTG, I just wanted to say that you have an awesome blog and I read your service changes page every day.
ReplyDeleteBtw I also have a question, do you know if the 485 will really gain E200s from 244 or 299?
Thanks very much!
DeleteYes, I believe the 244 E200s were used for the bid by Go-Ahead, although this does depend on the upcoming DD conversion (subject to consultation) so if that doesn't happen then the 299 ones will be used instead.
I'm from Northumberland Park bus garage, and on my notice board, it says that the E200 buses from route 299 will be going to MG garage for route 386. Also route 476 from my garage will be staying as 476.
DeleteDo you have any ideas on what double deckers the H14 might use?
ReplyDeleteIt's likely to be the ADH-class E400s that currently work the 94, although there could be a change of plan and nothing is officially confirmed yet.
DeletePD will be getting some e40ds for 422.... I have seen some in operation in the area on PD routes
ReplyDeleteYes, some are transferring from Catford (TL) garage. This is because Stagecoach cancelled the order for four new MMCs, as the frequency reduction on route 47 means that enough buses are made spare to cover the 422. Therefore, the E400s have been chosen to go to PD.
DeleteThe page will be updated.
Thanks - I just got a bit confused seeing these buses on the street thinking that we would get some new buses! Will we still get new E400MMCs for the 161 when it comes to PD
DeleteYes, those have been ordered.
DeleteWhy is B16 up for tender?
ReplyDeleteIt's not up for tender, it's been retained with existing vehicles because the contract expired after its term.
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DeleteI actually wish Bexleyheath (BX) win a route, because it's really boring seeing them losing every route, but the school routes.
DeleteThey just lost 422 and 401.... So what do they actually have?
DeleteThey have 89, 132, 244, 486, B11, B14, B16, and N89, but B14 has lost to Stagecoach London on the 3rd February.
DeleteCorrect me if im wrong, but isnt B14 a metrobus route from Orpington (MB)
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ReplyDeleteWhere do you get this info from?
DeleteFake news lol
DeleteJamie Amoah, can you please stop simply pasting information from the blog page into the comments section, it's a complete waste of space and is unnecessary, there are surely better things to be doing in life! Please stop it, or I'll have to ban you from using this site altogether as it's not beneficial to anyone.
DeleteSorry!
DeleteI reckon 452 to tower transit is a realistic possibility
ReplyDeleteHow do drivers get allocated routes? Do you have a route and change if it moves or do you stay at your initial garage?
ReplyDeleteHi, I'm not a driver myself so I'm not too sure on this.
DeleteI think you do have an allocated route but generally drivers can switch around at the garage where there are shortages etc. I think you can choose to transfer to the new company or stay at the garage, but it's probably best to ask someone who works in the industry.
When is the next tender update?
ReplyDeleteHi, I'm not sure, we're just waiting for TFL to release the results. There haven't been any for a while so hopefully there could be some this week.
DeleteWhat do you mean how do drivers gey allocated routes?
ReplyDeleteWhichever company you decide to join you are asked which of there garages you wish to go to..which is usually the closest tp where you live..you then learn the routes at that garage and if you want to go on that particular route then you request abd if you want a particular pattern ie earlies or middles or lates if available you request that..admittedly sometimes the garage will put you on a route because of a shortage of drivers
Now if the route that you are on gets retendered to another company you have a choice to go with it or stay at the company..but i have known drivers that have been forced to go with the route as there is not enough other routes in the garage to guarantee work
Ie the more routes you learn in a garage the better for earning more money ie overtime and you can probably stay as a spare driver
Thanks very much for this useful insight into bus driving.
DeleteYou are welcome
DeleteHi! Thanks for all the information :) What routes in London do you think need tenders? (That are not on this results list)
ReplyDeleteAlso my favourite route is 47 and I'm aware of the frequency reduction it got! It's every 20 mins on Sundays!
DeleteI don't really think any routes need tenders as they're all awarded at an equal rate anyway (bar certain ones that are removed from the tendering programme for restructuring).
DeleteThe 47 is a nice urban route in my opinion, it is a shame about the frequency cut as it is very busy!
This site is updated yet i see no tender results??
ReplyDeleteTotal confusion
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Hi there, just because this page has been updated, it doesn't mean there are necessarily new tenders - if there are I leave a note concerning the routes I've edited at the top. The last edit was just admin stuff.
DeleteSorry to disappoint!
Ok cool
DeleteThanks.
When do you think we will find out what buses will be used on the H12/H14?
ReplyDeleteIt should be within a couple of months - once something is confirmed it'll be posted on here.
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ReplyDeleteLBSL intends to enter into new contracts (lots.org.UK has been updated)
ReplyDelete60 retained
73 retained
144 retained
293 to RATP
404 retained
412 retained
434 retained
And all 6xx routes retained
The page will be updated in detail very shortly.
DeleteWhen will the tender result for Routes 9 and 390 be announced? Cause it's been 2 months since pending.
ReplyDeleteRoutes 9 and 390 will most likely be retained by Metroline and London United with routemasters.
ReplyDeleteWe don't know when the results will be published for any route - the due date is normally just an indication.
DeleteWe'll just have to wait and see for the 9 and 390.
Is 75 going to be transferred to Kangley Bridge Road?
ReplyDeletePresumably not, just because it is a very small outstation and I suspect there might not be space. Even if there is room, fleet flexibility wouldn't be possible as it would be the only DD route there, so that would be disadvantageous for everything.
Deleteso is kangle bridge a new site
DeleteYes, situated in Lower Sydenham.
Deleteoh next to the clarks london one
DeleteYes around that area.
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ReplyDeleteWell done Arriva 60,73,144,166,612 and 685. Hope I hope it's safe. I never knew there were so many garages which is 4 Arriva London South.
ReplyDeleteAll those routes are definitely with Arriva for the next five years, unless they surrender which is incredibly unlikely.
DeleteAre London Sovereign’s SLEs going to be withdrawn soon? And if so what are they going to be replaced with?
ReplyDeleteIt depends what you specifically mean by soon. I'd say it's almost certain that they'll be gone in the next couple of years, given that the only route still allocated them on paper (the 292) is up for renewal soon. As for their replacement, it depends on the operator and whether new or existing vehicles are required.
DeleteRoute 281 Tolworth-Hounslow Bus Station has just been retained by London United (Fulwell FW) with 19 buses
ReplyDeleteBut the 281 isn't up for tender until next year, so how can it be retained?
DeleteI know but on the notice board at fulwell it say the 281 has been retained for 2 years
DeleteDo you mean a 2 year contract extension for route 281?
DeletePresumably so, although it still seems to be in the tender programme so we'll have to wait and see.
DeleteThe route 293 will be getting 6 new 12 meter buses (MCL) and one new double decker hybrid.
ReplyDeleteWhilst this sounds genuine, I'm not going to update the page until the order has been placed.
DeleteWhen will we know what type of vehicles route 31 will get and what vehicles would they be just for confirmation
ReplyDeleteThey will probably get New Volvo B5LH's Gemini3.
DeleteWe don't know, is the answer. Once an order has been placed the tenders page will be updated.
DeleteAre you seriously that bothered?,
ReplyDeleteWhy??ffs?!
Will the 72 convert to double deck as it's a 24-hour night route when it's next up for tender?
ReplyDeleteAnd will 33 also?
I think it is in at the end of 2020
DeleteI think it will till when they strengthen Hammersmith Bridge, that's why at the time the 72 was suppose to convert to double deck but was delayed.
ReplyDeleteWill the 31 most definitely operate from Willesden Junction (WJ) garage?
ReplyDeleteHow comes it's changed to Perivale West (PA) garage?
ReplyDeleteNetwork rail are completing works around the site of WJ and I think it's simply a case of them requesting more land, meaning that the 31 can't fit.
DeleteAs for the 33 and 72, I'm sure they will receive DDs if the bridge is strengthened, but whether that actually happens is another matter.
Ill tell you why
DeleteBecause it is easy to run light to white city or camden to start the service...ie the A40
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ReplyDeleteTomorrow, B14 is changing to Stagecoach London. What happens to the ex metrobus E200s that operate on B14 right now? Will they been transferred back to MB?
ReplyDeleteI'm not too sure. It's a possibility, but we'll just have to see what happens.
DeleteI was told 386 is having SENs from 299, how is it having SE's from 244 when I checked couple times on different webs related to this and it says 386 is having SEN from 299?
ReplyDeleteI believe this was the initial plan, however you it does make much more sense for the 386 to inherit the SENs with the 485 taking the longer SEs.
DeleteAn update will follow.
Which garage will the 105 operate from Hounslow Heath (HH) or Hounslow (AV) when it passes to London United?
ReplyDeletewhy dont 486 and 132 run from MG
ReplyDeletePresumably because BX is more convenient operationally.
DeleteIn regards to the 161 MMCs, they're going to be based at the same garage as the 53 ones so they will probably form a common user pool with the rest of the routes at PD.
I thought it was operating at PD and TB because TB is like closer to the War Memorial in Chislehurst, and PD is closer to North Greenwich.
DeleteThat might still be the case. It seems, for now, that the route is fully going to PD given that the buses have routes like the 177 on the blinds, but we'll have to see.
DeleteWill 161 get the mmcs or will these just go to 53 like always!
ReplyDeleteI cannot believe that Metroline are getting New MCV EvoSeti B5LH for routes 30 and 274 at King’s Cross garage and 31 at Perivale West
ReplyDeleteIt's a good thing instead of them constantly ordering Gemini 3's
DeleteI am so happy that Metroline have ordered MCV EvoSeti's for Routes 30, 31 and 274 as they're comfortable to sit on
ReplyDeleteInstead of ordering Gemini 3's which Metroline have been doing continuously since 2014
So does this mean that Gemini 3's will stop being ordered?
It's an interesting choice. I just hope they won't feel as cheap as the Go-Ahead and Tower Transit MCVs. Must have got a good deal.
DeleteIt doesn't necessarily mean that Gemini 3s will stop being ordered, although this could be suggesting a sign of change in what Metroline order in the future.
DeleteHey LBOTG, I am very glad to hear that Metroline will stop ordering a huge variety of more and more boring Gemini 3 hybrids and have finally considered the more interesting Evoseti option. :-)
ReplyDeleteMetroline have just agreed a deal with MCV for the double deck Buses.
ReplyDelete281 will be getting new Euro6 buses
ReplyDeleteWhich Buses will the 281 be getting?
DeleteI've heard nothing of the sort and I won't be announcing anything on here until I have proper confirmation.
DeleteAny news on
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DeleteThe page will be updated when there is.
DeleteDo you have any information on the new 301 route Woolwich-Bexleyheath im assuming Go-Ahead will take it due to the losses of the 422, 401, B14
ReplyDeleteNot yet, the tender will be announced within a few months though.
DeleteIndeed BX are a likely candidate, but PD are also en route and might have space.
Why is 386 transferring to Catford (TL) on the same day as 181/284? Because I read on London Connected that it's transferring to TL from PD. I'm confused.
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