Forthcoming Service Changes (Tenders) - updated 22nd June

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Last updated: 22nd June (43, 122, 134, 228, 262, 372, 396, 472, 473, 486, 601, 602 and pending) . Please scroll to the bottom of this page to find out routes that are due to be announced within the next 2 months, which has been updated as of 24th March.

 New Feature from 25th Feb: any contract changes which will result in the withdrawal of a bus type that isn't commonplace in London, or essentially endangered from becoming extinct from our bus scene altogether, there will be an additional notice labelled "endangered type", followed by the name of the model itself. Hope you find it helpful!

If the route specified is gaining vehicles that haven't worked the route before, whether on a contract change/renewal, or merely an upgrade following displacement of other vehicles, at the end of the bullet point text will be highlighted in this colour, making it easier for you to plan your days out covering the latest service changes.

A contract change indicates that a new operator is taking over the route, following a tender award.

A contract renewal indicates that the existing operator has been successful in continuing operation of a route, following a tender award. New buses may/may not be ordered, dependant on the tender specification.

If a change in routeing takes place, text will be highlighted in this colour at the end

      JUNE 2018:

      • 631 (Golders Green-Hampstead Garden Suburb, Henrietta Barnet School) awarded to Metroline with 1 new single deck vehicle (type not confirmed), from Cricklewood (W) garage. 9th June. Contract change, new vehicles.Change Delayed.
      • H2 (Golders Green-Golders Green) awarded to Metroline with 3 new Optare Solo SR vehicles, from Cricklewood (W) garage. 9th June. Contract change, new vehicles. Endangered type, Optare SoloChange Delayed.
      • H3 (Golders Green-East Finchley) awarded to Metroline with 1 new Optare Solo SR vehicle, from Cricklewood (W) garage. 9th June. Contract change, new vehicles.Endangered type, Optare Solo Change Delayed. 
      • 46 (St Bartholomew's Hospital-Lancaster Gate) retained by Metroline with 19 new Electric BYD Enviro 200 vehicles, from Holloway (HT) garage. 23rd June.Contract renewal, new vehicles. Change Delayed. 
      • 30 (Hackney Wick-Marble Arch) awarded to Metroline with 23 new MCV EvoSeti B5LH vehicles from King's Cross (KX) garage. 23rd June. Contract change, new vehicles.
      • 274 (Lancaster Gate-Islington Angel) retained by Metroline with 17 new MCV EvoSeti B5LH vehicles, from King's Cross (KX) garage. 23rd June. Contract renewal, new vehicles.  
      • 105 (Heathrow Central-Greenford Station) awarded to London United with 14 new Wrightbus Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, from Hounslow (AV) garage. 30th June. Contract change, new vehicles.  
      • 216 (Kingston-Staines) retained by London United with new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Fulwell (TF) garage. 30th June. Contract renewal, new vehicles.Endangered type, Dart Pointer
      • K2 (Hook-Kingston Hospital) retained by London United with 11 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Tolworth (TV) garage. 30th June. Contract renewal, new vehicles.  
      • K3 (Roehampton Vale-Esher) awarded to London United with 11 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs from Tolworth (TV) garage. 30th June. Contract change, new vehicles.   
      • K4 (Mansfield Park-Kingston Hospital) London United with 4 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Tolworth (TV) garage. 30th June. Contract renewal, new vehicles.  
      • 643 (Brent Cross-East Finchley Schools) retained by Metroline with 2 existing ADL Enviro 400 E40D vehicles, from Cricklewood (W) garage. 30th June.
         
      *= subject to change.

      AUGUST 2018:

      • R9 (Ramsden Estate-Orpington Station) retained by Go-Ahead London with 3 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles from Orpington (MB) garage. 18th August.
      SEPTEMBER 2018:

      • 60 (Streatham Station-Old Coulsdon) retained by Arriva London with 15 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 VDL DB300 vehicles from South Croydon (TC) garage. 1st September.
      • 73/N73 (Stoke Newington/Walthamstow Central-Oxford Circus) retained by Arriva London with 35 existing Wrightbus New Routemaster vehicles, from Stamford Hill (SF) garage. 1st September.
      • 166 (West Croydon-Banstead/Epsom Hospital) retained by Arriva London with (amount tbc) existing ADL Enviro 200 single deckers (displaced from route 268), from South Croydon (TC) garage. 1st September. Possible route restructuring due, subject to a future consultation. Contract renewal, existing vehicles
      • 288 (Queensbury Morrisons-Broadfields) awarded to London Sovereign with 7 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Edgware (BT) garage. 1st September. Contract change, new vehicleS. Endangered type, Wrightbus Cadet 
      • 293 (Morden-Epsom Hospital) awarded to RATP Quality Line with 7 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs from Epsom (EP) garage. 1st September. Contract change, new vehicles. Endangered type, Scania OmniCity SD 
      • 303 (Edgware-Kingsbury Circle) awarded to London Sovereign with 8 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Edgware (BT) garage. Extended to Kingsbury and re-routed in the Colindale area as a result of merging with route 305 (click here for details), which will be withdrawn.  1st September. Contract change, new vehiclesChange in routeing. Endangered type, Wrightbus Cadet 
      • 390 (Archway-Victoria) retained by Metroline with 30 existing Wrightbus New Routemaster vehicles, from Holloway (HT) garage. 1st September.
      • 404 (Caterham On-The-Hill - Coulsdon Town) retained by RATP Quality Line with 1 new ADL Enviro 200 MMC from Epsom (EP) garage. 1st September.  Contract renewal, new vehicle
      • 412 (Purley-West Croydon) retained by Arriva London with 8 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 VDL DB300 vehicles from South Croydon (TC) garage. 1st September.
      • 434 (Coulsdon, Ridgemount Avenue-Whyteleafe South) retained by Go-Ahead London with 3 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles from Croydon (C) garage. 1st September.  
      • 612 (Wallington School-Selsdon) retained by Arriva London with 2 existing ADL Enviro 400 E40D vehicles from South Croydon (TC) garage. 1st September.
      • 626 (Dame Alice Owen's School-Finchley Central) retained by Sullivan Buses with 4 existing double deck vehicles (type not confirmed), from South Mimms (SM) garage. 1st September.
      • 634 (Arkley Hotel-Muswell Hill) retained by Metroline with 1 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 vehicle (displaced from route 105), from Potters Bar (PB) garage. 1st September. Contract renewal, existing vehicle
      • 685 (Hamsey Green, Warlingham School-Selsdon) retained by Arriva London with 1 existing ADL Enviro 400 E40D vehicle from South Croydon (TC) garage. 1st September.
      • H12 (Stanmore Station-South Harrow) awarded to London Sovereign with 10 ADL Enviro400H MMCs, from Edgware (BT) garage. 1st September. Contract change, new vehicles. Endangered type, Volvo B7TL LPresident
      • H14 (Northwick Park Hospital-Hatch End) awarded to London Sovereign with 8 ADL Enviro400H MMCs, from Harrow (SO) garage. 1st September. Contract change, new vehicles
      • H17 (Wembley Central-Harrow) awarded to London Sovereign with 7 new ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles, from Park Royal (RP) garage.
      • H18/H19 (Harrow-Harrow) awarded to London Sovereign with 8 new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Harrow (SO) garage. 1st September. Contract change, new vehicles 
      • N550 (Trafalgar Square-Canning Town) awarded to CT Plus with 7 existing ADL Enviro 400H City vehicles (sourced from the 388 allocation), from Ash Grove (HK) garage. 1st September. Contract change, existing vehicles.
      • N551 (Gallions Reach Shopping Park-Trafalgar Square) awarded to CT Plus with 8 existing ADL Enviro 400H City vehicles (sourced from the 388 allocation), from Ash Grove (HK) garage. 1st September. Contract change, existing vehicles 
      • 356 (Shirley-Upper Sydenham) retained by Stagecoach London with 7 new ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles from Kangley Bridge Road (?) garage. 15th September. Contract renewal, new vehicles
      • D6 (Ash Grove-Crossharbour) awarded to CT Plus with 14 new ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles from Ash Grove (HK) garage. 15th September. Contract change, new vehicles
      • D8 (Crossharbour-Stratford) awarded to Tower Transit with 9 existing ADL Enviro 400 
      • vehicles from Lea Interchange (LI) garage. 15th September. Contract change, existing vehicles
      • 165 (Rainham, Abbey Wood Lane-Romford, The Brewery) retained by Stagecoach London with new ADL Enviro 200 MMCs, from Rainham (RM garage. 29th September. Contract renewal, new vehicles 
      • 179 (Chingford Station-Ilford) retained by Stagecoach London with 12 new ADL Enviro400H MMCs from Barking (BK) garage. 29th September. 
      • 193 (County Park Estate-Romford, Queen's Hospital) awarded to Stagecoach London with 11 new ADL Enviro 200 MMC vehicles from Romford (NS) garage. 29th September. Contract change, existing vehicles. Endangered type, Marshall Capital  
      • 252 (Hornchurch Town Centre-Collier Row) retained by Stagecoach London with 14 existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles, from Rainham (RM) garage. 29th September.

      OCTOBER 2018:

      • 144 (Edmonton Green-Muswell Hill) retained by Arriva London with 16 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 VDL DB300 vehicles from Wood Green (WN) garage. 13th October.
      • 223 (Harrow-Wembley Central) awarded to London United with new single deckers (type and number tbc) from Park Royal (RP) garage. 13th October. Contract change, new vehicles.
      • 224 (Wembley Stadium-St Raphael's) awarded to London United with new single deckers (type and number tbc) from Park Royal (RP) garage. 13th October. Contract change, new vehicles.
      • 403 (Warlingham-West Croydon) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 7 existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles (ex-468) from Croydon (C) garage. 27th October. Contract change, exisiting vehicles. Endangered type, DAF DB250 Gemini

      NOVEMBER 2018:
      • 12 (Oxford Circus-Dulwich Library) retained by Go-Ahead London with 33 existing Wrightbus New Routemaster vehicles, from Camberwell (Q) garage. 3rd November.
      • 318 (Stamford Hill-North Middlesex Hospital) retained by Arriva London with 7 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles, from Enfield (E) garage. 10th November.
      • 453 (Marylebone-Deptford Bridge) retained by Go-Ahead London with 36 existing Wrightbus New Routemaster vehicles, from New Cross (NX) garage. 17th November.
      • H25 (Butts Farm-Hatton Cross) retained by Abellio London with 9 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles (ex-K3) from Fulwell (TF) garage. 17th November. Endangered types, Dart Pointer and Caetano Nimbus
      • 79 (Edgware-Alperton Sainsbury's) awarded to London Sovereign with 11 new hybrid double deckers (type not confirmed) from Edgware (BT) garage. 24th November. Contract change, new vehicles.

      DECEMBER 2018:

      • 452 (Vauxhall-Kensal Rise) awarded to Tower Transit with 21 existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles (ex-30), from Westbourne Park (X) garage. 1st December. Contract change, existing vehicles. 
      • S1 (Lavender Fields-Banstead) retained by Quality Line with 11 existing Optare MetroCity vehicles from Epsom (EB) garage. 1st December 
      • 104 (Stratford-Beckton Station) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 12 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 B9TL vehicles from Silvertown (SI) garage. 8th December. Contract change, existing vehicles.Change in routeing.
      • 292 (Borehamwood, Rossington Avenue-Colindale Asda) awarded to Metroline with (amount tbc) existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles from Edgware (BT) garage. 8th December.  Contract change, existing vehicles.  
      • 300 (Canning Town-East Ham Station) retained by Go-Ahead London with 10 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles from Barking (RR) garage. 8th December
      • 304 (Manor Park-Custom House) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 9 existing Wrightbus Gemini 2 B9TL vehicles from Silvertown (SI) garage. 8th December. New route

      JANUARY 2019:

      • 603 (Muswell Hill-Swiss Cottage) awarded to Sullivan Buses with 2 existing vehicles (sourced from dealer stock) from South Mimms (SM) garage. 12th January. Contract change, existing vehicles.   
      • 228 (Central Middlesex Hospital-Maida Hill, Shirland Avenue) awarded to Tower Transit with 6 new and 3 existing Wrightbus Streetlites from Westbourne Park (X) garage. 19th January. Contract change, new vehicles.  
      • 472 (North Greenwich-Thamesmead) retained by Stagecoach London with 16 existing ADL Enviro400H vehicles from Plumstead (PD) garage. 26th January.
      • 601 (Thamesmead-Wilmington Hall School) retained by Stagecoach London with 7 existing ADL Enviro400H vehicles from Plumstead (PD) garage. 26th January.
      • 602 (Thamesmead-Townley Grammar School) retained by Stagecoach London with 2 existing ADL Enviro400H vehicles from Plumstead (PD) garage. 26th January.
      FEBRUARY 2019:

      • 43 (Friern Barnet-London Bridge) retained by Metroline with 32 new ADL Enviro 400 City BYD electric vehicles from Holloway (HT) garage. 2nd February. Contract renewal, new vehicles. 
      • 134 (North Finchley-Tottenham Court Road) retained by Metroline with 27 new Optare Metrodecker electric vehicles from Potters Bar (PB) garage. 2nd February. Contract renewal, new vehicles.
      • 3/N3 (Piccadilly Circus-Crystal Palace/Bromley North) awarded to Abellio London with 19 existing Wrightbus New Routemaster vehicles from Walworth (WL) garage. 9th February.
      • 122 (Crystal Palace-Plumstead, Bus Garage) retained by Stagecoach London with 14 existing ADL Enviro400H vehicles from Plumstead (PD) garage. 9th February.
      • 486 (Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre-North Greenwich) retained by Go-Ahead London with 14 existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles from Bexleyheath (BX) garage. 23rd February.
      MARCH 2019: 

      • 393 (Chalk Farm-Clapton Pond) awarded to Metroline with 14 new single deckers (type not confirmed) from Holloway (HT) garage, the latter is subject to change. 23rd March. Contract change, new vehicles.  
      • 262 (East Beckton, Sainsbury's-Stratford) awarded to Tower Transit with 11 double deckers (type not confirmed) from Lea Interchange (LI) garage. 30th March. Contract change
      • 317 (Enfield-Waltham Cross) awarded to Metroline with 5 new hybrid double deckers (type not confirmed) from Potters Bar (PB) garage. 30th March. Contract change, new vehicles.  
      • 372 (Hornchurch, Town Centre-Lakeside) retained by Stagecoach London with 7 existing ADL Enviro 400 vehicles from Rainham (RM) garage. 30th March. Contract change
      • 396 (Ilford Broadway-King George Hospital) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 4 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles from River Road (RR) garage. 30th March. Contract change, existing vehicles. 
      • 473 (North Woolwich-Stratford) awarded to Tower Transit with 9 double deckers (type not confirmed) from Lea Interchange (LI) garage. 30th March. 
      • 493 (Richmond, Manor Circus-Tooting, St George's Hospital) retained by Go-Ahead London with 16 existing ADL Enviro 200 vehicles from Plough Lane (PL) garage. 30th March. 

      AUGUST 2019: 

      • 214 (Liverpool Street-Highgate Village) awarded to Go-Ahead London with 19 new Electric BYD Enviro 200 vehicles from Northumberland Park (NP) garage. 17th August. Contract change, new vehicles.

       ROUTES PENDING TENDER ANNOUNCEMENT:
      • 9/N9 (Aldwych-Hammersmith/Heathrow Terminal 5)
      • 209/609 (Mortlake/Harrodian School-Hammersmith)  temporary contract extension
      • 497 (Harold Wood-Hilldene Avenue)
      • 94 (Acton Green-Piccadilly Circus)
      • 51 (Woolwich-Orpington Station)
      • 61 (Bromley North-Chislehurst)
      • 261 (Lewisham Station-Princess Royal Hospital)
      • R5/R10 (Orpington Station-Knockholt)
      • 96 (Woolwich-Bluewater)
      • 178 (Woolwich-Lewisham Station)
      • 244 (Abbey Wood-Queen Elizabeth Hospital)
      • 291 (Woodlands Estate-Queen Elizabeth Hospital)
      • 301 (Bexleyheath-Woolwich)
      • 428 (Erith-Bluewater)
      • B11 (Thamesmead-Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre)
      • B15 (Horn Park-Bexleyheath, Shopping Centre)
      • 20 (Walthamstow Central-Debden)
      • 123 (Ilford-Wood Green)
      • 158 (Chingford Mount-Stratford)
      • 275 (Barkingside-St James Street)
      • 357 (Chingford Hatch-Whipps Cross)
      • 207/N207 (White City/Holborn-Hayes By Pass/Uxbridge)
      • 607 (White City-Uxbridge)
      • 240 (Golders Green-Edgware)
      • C2 (Parliament Hill Fields-Oxford Circus)
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        279 comments:

        1. Hi, are there any other routes awaiting announcement not listed here, for example, the gap between june 2018 and december 2019 just filled with the relatively few routes mentioned or is there a whole raft of routes that will be filled in later as the years go on?

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          1. i meant August 2019 lol

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          2. Hi, the 214 tender was only announced so far in advance because it's scheduled to be operated with electric buses, which take much longer to produce then normal vehicles.

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          3. thanks for the reply

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        3. How you Come out with 2019 you Doughnut?
          Seriously this is serious stuff you bus spotter.you should no better..omg i cannot believe you make retarded mistakes like that
          Shame on you

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          1. The route will be renewed in 2019, as it will be using electric vehicles they will take significantly longer to produce then normal, so no I didn't make a mistake and please check your facts before trying to correct me, it's not very professional!

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        4. For the record, MG garage is called 'Morden Wharf' not North Greenwich.

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        5. can I ask about routes 47,54,75,178,136,199,208,354,356,P4 and N199

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          1. None of those routes are having their contracts renewed soon, but watch this space and maybe within a year a couple of these routes might be up for tender.

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        6. Yeah I agree, Stagecoach have had some of those routes for ages, its quite boring living in Catford with the same bus operators for the last 8 years or so

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          1. Indeed, the main reason why they've retained so much work is the strategical position of Catford garage, so many routes pass near there so it's almost inevitable that they will place successful bids. Most of those routes do have other competition from the likes of Go-Ahead London, but lots of their garages are pretty full anyway.

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        7. yeah but the vehicles are getting old and fair enough their are the Enviro400 MMC on the double decker's (47 sometimes 75 54 136 and 199) but there needs to be more like 96 in plumsteads garage have wright Gemini's eclipse 3's but catford needs them.

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          1. Unfortunately MMCs are pretty much guaranteed as Stagecoach have a deal with ADL which means they get their buses cheaper. Nevertheless, anything is possible and a batch of Gemini 3's could be ordered again, alas it's unlikely.

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        8. There should be a Stagecoach route with Scania N250UD ADL E200 MMCs in London!

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        9. E400 MMCs, my mistake sorry!

          Also, it is annoying that no bus companies in London have been ordering Mercedes-Benz Citaros.

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          1. Unfortunately the reason why the short Citaros haven't been ordered recently is due to the lack of stop-start technology that TFL require, so they have been banned. Stagecoach actually ordered them for the 380 and 167 but had to cancel their order.

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          2. But Citaros can actually be stop start (they are available in Voith as well, which offers a stop start version) but by the looks of it, the reason why they haven't been ordering Citaros is because they are very expensive to buy.

            Also, there should be a bus route in London with Alexander Dennis Enviro400 MMC bodied Scania N250UD!

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          3. Hmmm, that could easily be another factor. I forgot to mention that the Voith version did come out recently earlier.

            Whilst the latter type you mentioned would be a pleasure, it's probably unlikely unless a new operator enters the London market as there would need to be all sorts of new training etc etc

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          4. A Scania Enviro400 won’t ever appear in London because they don’t have a back window, which I believe is a TfL requirement. Omnicities on a Scania chassis do have a back window (just!) so they’re allowed. Stagecoach do like Scanias though, which is probably why they’ve still kept on most of their Scania’s novated from Macquarie, albeit on a different body. The electric buses do buck the back window rule though, probably because there is no other physical room to put the batteries other than at the back and zero emissions would come as a higher priority than a back window!

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        10. Hi this is a great website recommended to all my bus spotter friends. Btw I am indeed a bus spotter tbh!! :)

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        11. the 317 is up for Tender in 2018 and am hopping arriva Enfield keeps it but no one knows

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          1. We'll have to wait and see, although their garage is in the best position strategically so I would think a retention is likely, however there is other competition so it will definitely be an interesting result to see who wins.

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          2. I really want Sullivan Buses to get it because of Arriva's lack of buses on the route.

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        13. 216 (Kingston-Staines) to Arriva (TGM)
          K2 (Kingston Hospital-Hook)
          K3 (Roehampton Vale-Esher)
          K4 (Kingston Hospital-Chessington North, Mansfield Park)
          969 (Whitton, Gladstone Avenue-Roehampton Vale)
          9/N9 (Aldwych-Hammersmith/Heathrow Terminal 5)
          209/609 (Mortlake/Harrodian School-Hammersmith) to London United
          390 (Archway-Victoria) to London General
          105 (Heathrow Central-Greenford Station) to Arriva (TGM)

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        14. Can the GAL 188 transfer to MG > SW.

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          1. It's possible but very unlikely given that SW is in a much more inconvenient position to SW.

            As for your speculation, some of them are certainly far-fetched but I wish you the best in receiving good tender results.

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        15. My bad, MG is in a much more convenient position to SW.

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        16. The 31 will most likely be Gemini 3 B5LH, considering Metroline have a deal with Volvo the moment.

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        21. 60 (Streatham Station-Old Coulsdon) to Quality Line (RATP)
          166 (Epsom Hospital-West Croydon)
          293 (Morden-Epsom Hospital) to Quality Line (RATP)
          404 (Coulsdon-Caterham On The Hill)
          412 (West Croydon-Purley)
          434 (Whyteleafe South-Coulsdon, Ridgemount Avenue) to Arriva London South
          466 (Addington Village-Caterham On The Hill)
          612 (Wallington-Selsdon)
          685 (Hamsey Green-Selsdon) to Abellio London

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        22. can I ask about routes H18, H19

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          1. Hi, unfortunately no tender results have been released for five weeks so the outcome of the H18/H19 is still unclear, although when it's published they will appear on here!

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          1. The tenders page has been updated accordingly, along with the other results.

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        25. Any ideas when the 25, 43, 185, 452 and 476 are up for re-tender? I wouldn't be surprised if Go-Ahead lose the 476.

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          1. Unfortunately none of these routes are due to be announced within the next few months.

            What might happen to the 476 is a merge with route 73, as the Southern termini will only be a few mins apart once Oxford St is pedestrianised.

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          2. That's the most likely scenario. And it'll certainly be with Arriva's LTZs. I could see a couple of other routes going the same way like the 63/363 merging. Maybe the 74/430?

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          3. Yes and the number for this one service will be the "73" as its more prolific.

            I'm not sure about the 63/363 because both services are very busy and cover substantial distance by themselves, one direct service would be very long! However, the 430/74 are sparsely used most of the time so perhaps something will happen there.

            Two routes I think are in danger are the 9/10, especially with the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street coming up. It'll be interesting to see what happens, especially with the 9 tender being due now.

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        26. Hey how's it going I wanted to ask about tender news for route 62, 145, 396?

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          1. Hi there, sorry for the delayed response!

            The 62 and 145 were retained recently, in April last year, which is why the MMCs have now appeared on the route. So, you won't be seeing those results for a few years! The 396 might be up much sooner, although it's not coming up in the next few months.

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          2. Hi there it's fine if you've replied late I don't really mind tbh.

            I wanted to ask you 2 things and that was about route 9/10. Since the danger they are held at will they have s route change or something?
            Also I was going to ask you about route 275. I'm not going to lie but it's last contract change was in 2012 when it passed to Stagecoach London. So I was wondering if you have any idea of route 275 and If it's up for tender. Btw about 62 and 145 yeah they have MMCs due to the fact Stagecoach have a deal with ADL apparently.

            Thanks for replying tho and will fully recommend this website. Bye bro!

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          3. Thanks!

            I'm not too sure, but perhaps one of them being withdrawn and another extended to compensate. Perhaps the 9 will be withdrawn, with the 6 re-routed via Pall Mall rather than going to Piccadilly Circus. However, this is all speculation and hopefully none of this will actually take place.

            I believe the 275 announcement is due in June 2018, so not long to wait.

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        27. Just to let you know (and this is something I am very happy about), the H37 is getting new 12m Citaro C2s, as well as the 216, 288, 303, H18/H19, K2 and K3 which are getting shorter 10.5m Citaro Ks (like the 413 currently does)

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          1. Cheers, the page is in the process being updated accordingly.

            I'm delighted about the news too! :)

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          2. I've heard about it in tangytango.proboards.com where RATP ordered a lot of Citaros with new stop-start technology and KERS

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          3. ADL's are going on 288 and 303

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        28. I wonder what the tender result will be for Routes, 9, 209 and 390

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        29. I see routes 223 and 224 staying with Metroline West and possibly route 94 going to Metroline and route 79 either staying with Metroline or going to London United

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          1. I reckon 94 will go to tower transit from there only garage in west london which is westbourne park
            Tt are due a win they have lost a lot of work and metroline and l.u are winning a lot
            Just my thoughts

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          2. I doubt it will go to Tower Transit, tfl will most likely bid with Routes 223 and 224 to Metroline West. I don't see Routes 223 and 224 losing their contracts

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          3. I'm talking about 94 by the way

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          4. I want the 94 to go to Metroline

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        30. It will either be Route 94 having with Routes 223 and 224 to Metroline or London United cause all three contracts start from 13th October 2018

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        31. Im talking about the 94

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        32. Which garage would the 94 operate if awarded to metroline..pv wpv

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          1. probably Brentford Garage cause it isn't too far from where route 94 terminates at Acton Green.

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          2. Or it could go to Metroline West from either Alperton or Willesden Garages but we'll just have to wait and find out when the route is due for announcement next month in February

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        33. The 94 will almost certainly be retained by London United and if this is the case electric buses will be introduced as Shepherd's Bush garage have promised an all-electric fleet by 2020. However, there is a small chance that operators, namely Tower Transit, could win the service, although it is unlikely.

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          1. And also it is most like that likely that route 31 that has been awarded to Metroline West will most definitely get new Gemini 3 B5LH vehicles because there on the 295. So that is definitely gonna happen so I don't know why it still says (type not confirmed?)

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        34. And also route 30 will get gemini 3 B5LH vehicles, because route 274 is also getting them. And I was very suprised that it was awarded to Metroline cause there isn't really much of Metroline in the East part of London

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          1. It's likely, but the order hasn't been placed yet so we can't be sure. That's why I'm still displaying the type not confirmed message.

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          2. Ok thanks, any news about Routes 9, 144, 209 and 390.

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          3. Not yet, the page will be updated as soon as the results are published.

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        35. Hello there

          I love this, but I am shocked to see the 105 leave Metroline. What happened? Last time i was at PA they were running a tight ship, albeit being a bit finicky in Greenford and Southall, I don't think the Southall renewal works helped the route no end also I wonder how the drivers will feel about having to go with the route as that was nearly most of the garage!!

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          1. I think most tenders are simply awarded on the basis of who provides a lower bid and clearly RATP were the successful ones here. Unfortunately service performance has effectively been disregarded as of late for tender awards.

            I suspect many drivers will transfer across to Hounslow Heath (HH) or work other routes there like the 297.

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        36. When will routes 291 and 96 be up? I have been told that 291 should've been announced in december but cant find info

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          1. 96 and 291 are due to be announced in May it shows on the tfl tendering sheet online

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        37. will we really see new buses on 30 and274 or just odds and ends from PV AND AC?

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          1. Well on the 30 tender it's says new hybrid double deckers but also says existing vehicles? But hopefully there new and it will be Gemini 3s

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          2. There will be a full allocation of new vehicles ordered.

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        38. Route 209 is having a one year contract extension so that tender won't be announced until next year.

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          1. May I question where you sourced this information from?

            There is nothing on any tender programme which states this and unless you can give me concrete evidence that the route is receiving this extension I won't be changing anything I'm afraid. I also wonder where you found out that the 30 was receiving existing vehicles from.

            You might want to check out your sources before you continue to post on this page, which you often do.

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          3. I've now seen the document where TFL published the information regarding the one-year 209 extension, it was kept well-hidden so thanks for notifying me.

            Where you got the 30 from is still a mystery to me though.

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          4. I told you that I was telling the truth about the 209 but you didn't believe me, I was trying to tell you cause they just recently posted the 2019-2020 tendering programme on the tfl website and it said on there. And about the 30 it was just my thoughts what will happen, I only thought it could get existing vehicles same as 274 because the 17 was due to get new vehicles but instead went to the route 7 cause it failed some kind of test (not too sure by the way) so that's what made me think that. So yeah I was just basically trying to help you out.

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          5. Yes, I tend to be very careful as I really don't want false information posted on here so it can be as accurate and reliable as possible and it took a while for me to find the evidence.

            In regards to the 30, if it were your thoughts then why did you say that the tender said existing vehicles?

            The 17 couldn't receive new-style Gemini 3s because of their rear overhang - they struggled to navigate some of the turns. There are no spare Gemini 3s at the moment as the 17 and 7 vehicles have merely swapped around.

            Thanks for showing an interest in the page though.

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          6. Regards to route 30, I saw it say new hybrid double deckers and below the part it says (Contract Change, existing vehicles)? So I was really confused so you need to correct it cause it still says it.

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          7. And correct it to (Contract change, new vehicles) not existing

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          8. And especially change the garage cause the 30 and 274 will be operating from King's Cross garage with route 46 transferring to Holloway garage. You'll probably know this by now.

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          9. Do you know what will happen with Metroline's mark 1 gemini 3's as Willesden (AC) has got new mark 2 gemini 3's and some mark 1's remain at Perivale. Will they still be in service?

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          10. Yes, all of the "smiley-face" Gemini 3s will be around for a while.

            Some are being used on the 17 at Holloway (HT), these are the ex-7 vehicles, although three are at Perivale East (PV) for the 79 and I think these are staying.

            The AC ones should remain there as there are still VPs around on the 260, 302 and 460. However, they may be used elsewhere and their fate is unclear for the moment.

            They could be used for an existing bid if need be (like the 274 and 30), although this is entirely dependant on whether Willesden can get rid of all the VPs with the VWs and mk 2 ones alone.

            Hopefully this has helped to some degree.

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          11. Yes, they're on the 4 and the 17 now and should be for the long term.

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        39. is route 99 only running between bexleyheath and erith? it currently runs to woolwich.

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          1. Thanks very much for spotting, must've been a silly error on my part!

            Indeed it will continue to serve Woolwich.

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        40. I would just like to point out that 386 has not been retained it’s been awarded to go ahead. It says 386 retained by Go ahead London. Yeah worth mentioning!

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          1. Thanks for this. Monitoring a page like this is quite difficult and there are always little errors like this so if you spot any more please let me know!

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        41. Hey LBOTG, I just wanted to say that you have an awesome blog and I read your service changes page every day.

          Btw I also have a question, do you know if the 485 will really gain E200s from 244 or 299?

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        42. Hey LBOTG, I just wanted to say that you have an awesome blog and I read your service changes page every day.

          Btw I also have a question, do you know if the 485 will really gain E200s from 244 or 299?

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          1. Thanks very much!

            Yes, I believe the 244 E200s were used for the bid by Go-Ahead, although this does depend on the upcoming DD conversion (subject to consultation) so if that doesn't happen then the 299 ones will be used instead.

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          2. I'm from Northumberland Park bus garage, and on my notice board, it says that the E200 buses from route 299 will be going to MG garage for route 386. Also route 476 from my garage will be staying as 476.

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        43. Do you have any ideas on what double deckers the H14 might use?

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          1. It's likely to be the ADH-class E400s that currently work the 94, although there could be a change of plan and nothing is officially confirmed yet.

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        44. PD will be getting some e40ds for 422.... I have seen some in operation in the area on PD routes

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          1. Yes, some are transferring from Catford (TL) garage. This is because Stagecoach cancelled the order for four new MMCs, as the frequency reduction on route 47 means that enough buses are made spare to cover the 422. Therefore, the E400s have been chosen to go to PD.

            The page will be updated.

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          2. Thanks - I just got a bit confused seeing these buses on the street thinking that we would get some new buses! Will we still get new E400MMCs for the 161 when it comes to PD

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        45. It's not up for tender, it's been retained with existing vehicles because the contract expired after its term.

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          2. I actually wish Bexleyheath (BX) win a route, because it's really boring seeing them losing every route, but the school routes.

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          3. They just lost 422 and 401.... So what do they actually have?

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          4. They have 89, 132, 244, 486, B11, B14, B16, and N89, but B14 has lost to Stagecoach London on the 3rd February.

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          5. Correct me if im wrong, but isnt B14 a metrobus route from Orpington (MB)

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          1. Where do you get this info from?

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          2. Jamie Amoah, can you please stop simply pasting information from the blog page into the comments section, it's a complete waste of space and is unnecessary, there are surely better things to be doing in life! Please stop it, or I'll have to ban you from using this site altogether as it's not beneficial to anyone.

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        47. I reckon 452 to tower transit is a realistic possibility

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        48. How do drivers get allocated routes? Do you have a route and change if it moves or do you stay at your initial garage?

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          1. Hi, I'm not a driver myself so I'm not too sure on this.

            I think you do have an allocated route but generally drivers can switch around at the garage where there are shortages etc. I think you can choose to transfer to the new company or stay at the garage, but it's probably best to ask someone who works in the industry.

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          1. Hi, I'm not sure, we're just waiting for TFL to release the results. There haven't been any for a while so hopefully there could be some this week.

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        50. What do you mean how do drivers gey allocated routes?
          Whichever company you decide to join you are asked which of there garages you wish to go to..which is usually the closest tp where you live..you then learn the routes at that garage and if you want to go on that particular route then you request abd if you want a particular pattern ie earlies or middles or lates if available you request that..admittedly sometimes the garage will put you on a route because of a shortage of drivers
          Now if the route that you are on gets retendered to another company you have a choice to go with it or stay at the company..but i have known drivers that have been forced to go with the route as there is not enough other routes in the garage to guarantee work
          Ie the more routes you learn in a garage the better for earning more money ie overtime and you can probably stay as a spare driver

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          1. Thanks very much for this useful insight into bus driving.

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          2. You are welcome

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        51. Hi! Thanks for all the information :) What routes in London do you think need tenders? (That are not on this results list)

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          1. Also my favourite route is 47 and I'm aware of the frequency reduction it got! It's every 20 mins on Sundays!

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          2. I don't really think any routes need tenders as they're all awarded at an equal rate anyway (bar certain ones that are removed from the tendering programme for restructuring).

            The 47 is a nice urban route in my opinion, it is a shame about the frequency cut as it is very busy!

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        52. This site is updated yet i see no tender results??
          Total confusion
          ???

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          1. Hi there, just because this page has been updated, it doesn't mean there are necessarily new tenders - if there are I leave a note concerning the routes I've edited at the top. The last edit was just admin stuff.

            Sorry to disappoint!

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          2. Ok cool
            Thanks.

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        53. When do you think we will find out what buses will be used on the H12/H14?

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          1. It should be within a couple of months - once something is confirmed it'll be posted on here.

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        54. LBSL intends to enter into new contracts (lots.org.UK has been updated)

          60 retained
          73 retained
          144 retained
          293 to RATP
          404 retained
          412 retained
          434 retained
          And all 6xx routes retained

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          1. The page will be updated in detail very shortly.

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        55. When will the tender result for Routes 9 and 390 be announced? Cause it's been 2 months since pending.

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        56. Routes 9 and 390 will most likely be retained by Metroline and London United with routemasters.

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          1. We don't know when the results will be published for any route - the due date is normally just an indication.

            We'll just have to wait and see for the 9 and 390.

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        57. Is 75 going to be transferred to Kangley Bridge Road?

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          1. Presumably not, just because it is a very small outstation and I suspect there might not be space. Even if there is room, fleet flexibility wouldn't be possible as it would be the only DD route there, so that would be disadvantageous for everything.

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          2. so is kangle bridge a new site

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          3. oh next to the clarks london one

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        60. Well done Arriva 60,73,144,166,612 and 685. Hope I hope it's safe. I never knew there were so many garages which is 4 Arriva London South.

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          1. All those routes are definitely with Arriva for the next five years, unless they surrender which is incredibly unlikely.

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        61. Are London Sovereign’s SLEs going to be withdrawn soon? And if so what are they going to be replaced with?

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          1. It depends what you specifically mean by soon. I'd say it's almost certain that they'll be gone in the next couple of years, given that the only route still allocated them on paper (the 292) is up for renewal soon. As for their replacement, it depends on the operator and whether new or existing vehicles are required.

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        62. Route 281 Tolworth-Hounslow Bus Station has just been retained by London United (Fulwell FW) with 19 buses

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          1. But the 281 isn't up for tender until next year, so how can it be retained?

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          2. I know but on the notice board at fulwell it say the 281 has been retained for 2 years

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          3. Do you mean a 2 year contract extension for route 281?

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          4. Presumably so, although it still seems to be in the tender programme so we'll have to wait and see.

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        63. The route 293 will be getting 6 new 12 meter buses (MCL) and one new double decker hybrid.

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          1. Whilst this sounds genuine, I'm not going to update the page until the order has been placed.

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        64. When will we know what type of vehicles route 31 will get and what vehicles would they be just for confirmation

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          1. They will probably get New Volvo B5LH's Gemini3.

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          2. We don't know, is the answer. Once an order has been placed the tenders page will be updated.

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        65. Are you seriously that bothered?,
          Why??ffs?!

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        66. Will the 72 convert to double deck as it's a 24-hour night route when it's next up for tender?
          And will 33 also?

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        67. I think it will till when they strengthen Hammersmith Bridge, that's why at the time the 72 was suppose to convert to double deck but was delayed.

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        68. Will the 31 most definitely operate from Willesden Junction (WJ) garage?

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        69. How comes it's changed to Perivale West (PA) garage?

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          1. Network rail are completing works around the site of WJ and I think it's simply a case of them requesting more land, meaning that the 31 can't fit.

            As for the 33 and 72, I'm sure they will receive DDs if the bridge is strengthened, but whether that actually happens is another matter.

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          2. Ill tell you why
            Because it is easy to run light to white city or camden to start the service...ie the A40

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        71. Tomorrow, B14 is changing to Stagecoach London. What happens to the ex metrobus E200s that operate on B14 right now? Will they been transferred back to MB?

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          1. I'm not too sure. It's a possibility, but we'll just have to see what happens.

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        72. I was told 386 is having SENs from 299, how is it having SE's from 244 when I checked couple times on different webs related to this and it says 386 is having SEN from 299?

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          1. I believe this was the initial plan, however you it does make much more sense for the 386 to inherit the SENs with the 485 taking the longer SEs.

            An update will follow.

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        73. Which garage will the 105 operate from Hounslow Heath (HH) or Hounslow (AV) when it passes to London United?

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        74. why dont 486 and 132 run from MG

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          1. Presumably because BX is more convenient operationally.

            In regards to the 161 MMCs, they're going to be based at the same garage as the 53 ones so they will probably form a common user pool with the rest of the routes at PD.

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          2. I thought it was operating at PD and TB because TB is like closer to the War Memorial in Chislehurst, and PD is closer to North Greenwich.

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          3. That might still be the case. It seems, for now, that the route is fully going to PD given that the buses have routes like the 177 on the blinds, but we'll have to see.

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        75. Will 161 get the mmcs or will these just go to 53 like always!

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        76. I cannot believe that Metroline are getting New MCV EvoSeti B5LH for routes 30 and 274 at King’s Cross garage and 31 at Perivale West

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          1. It's a good thing instead of them constantly ordering Gemini 3's

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        77. I am so happy that Metroline have ordered MCV EvoSeti's for Routes 30, 31 and 274 as they're comfortable to sit on
          Instead of ordering Gemini 3's which Metroline have been doing continuously since 2014
          So does this mean that Gemini 3's will stop being ordered?

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          1. It's an interesting choice. I just hope they won't feel as cheap as the Go-Ahead and Tower Transit MCVs. Must have got a good deal.

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          2. It doesn't necessarily mean that Gemini 3s will stop being ordered, although this could be suggesting a sign of change in what Metroline order in the future.

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        78. Hey LBOTG, I am very glad to hear that Metroline will stop ordering a huge variety of more and more boring Gemini 3 hybrids and have finally considered the more interesting Evoseti option. :-)

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        79. Metroline have just agreed a deal with MCV for the double deck Buses.

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          1. Which Buses will the 281 be getting?

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          2. I've heard nothing of the sort and I won't be announcing anything on here until I have proper confirmation.

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        81. Do you have any information on the new 301 route Woolwich-Bexleyheath im assuming Go-Ahead will take it due to the losses of the 422, 401, B14

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          1. Not yet, the tender will be announced within a few months though.

            Indeed BX are a likely candidate, but PD are also en route and might have space.

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